In this episode, Drs. Nicole Quinn and Brenda Raud speak with Dr. Alae Kawam, a surgical pathologist in New York City, about burnout in medicine and the biomedical sciences. Drawing from her personal experience in medical training, Dr. Kawam explains the core components of burnout, emotional exhaustion, depersonalization, and reduced personal accomplishment, and explores how systemic pressures, productivity culture, visa constraints, debt, and lack of institutional support contribute to disengagement.

The conversation highlights parallels between medicine and academic research, emphasizing the importance of human connection, identity beyond work, cultural awareness, and organizational accountability. Dr. Kawam closes with practical guidance for individuals and leaders alike, encouraging self-awareness, community support, and structural change to foster healthier, more sustainable scientific careers.

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